Middle east crisis.

[Hamble]

Hamas crimes against children.



The son of a co-founder of Hamas blasted the terror organization in a blistering half-hour speech at the United Nations on Monday.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg

[donkey22]

Israeli crimes against children.

‘Middle East latest: Six children killed in Israeli airstrike in Rafah, hospital’
https://news.sky.com/story/middle-ea...ttack-12978800

[Hector]

Hamas crimes against children.



The son of a co-founder of Hamas blasted the terror organization in a blistering half-hour speech at the United Nations on Monday.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg

Wow. Why are the media not talking about that speech?

[Hector]

Hamas crimes against children.



The son of a co-founder of Hamas blasted the terror organization in a blistering half-hour speech at the United Nations on Monday.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg

The speech was actually 5 mpnths ago.

His name is Mosab Hassan Yousef. Now an American.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosa...tian%20tourist.

Thanks for sharing that, Hamble.

[Hamble]

Israeli crimes against children.

‘Middle East latest: Six children killed in Israeli airstrike in Rafah, hospital’
https://news.sky.com/story/middle-ea...ttack-12978800

Beg Hamas and PIJ to surrender and release the Israeli hostages.
End this madness of killing on both sides.

[Hamble]

Wow. Why are the media not talking about that speech?

I hope and believe his testament will be cricial in how Palestine is run and funded 'the day after'.
It cannot be allowed to go on.

[Hamble]

The speech was actually 5 mpnths ago.

His name is Mosab Hassan Yousef. Now an American.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosa...tian%20tourist.

Thanks for sharing that, Hamble.

Thank you- I should have made that clear.

Perhaps it explains why despite the differences and fall outs the allies know that only Israel is in a position to remove Hamas's infleunce and cruelty on Israeli's and Palestinian people.

[sandGroundZero]

How the Six-Day War Transformed Religion Six perspectives on how the 1967 Arab-Israeli conflict changed Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Mormonism — Sigal Samuel | June 5, 2017 The Crisis of Arab Nationalism and the Rise of Islamism Hussein Ibish, senior resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute One of the principal but often underappreciated effects of the 1967 Arab-Israeli war was its role in setting the stage for the rise of political Islam in the Arab world—including the terrorist extremism that now plagues the region and the globe. The war was a devastating blow to the credibility of Arab nationalism (particularly as defined by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser), which presented itself as secular and progressive. The speed and scope of the Arab debacle in 1967 knocked the legs out from under the profoundly exaggerated claims of Arab nationalism to be leading the region into a new and brighter future. By the late 1960s, the social and economic failure of these systems, and their repressive nature, were already readily apparent. Egypt, Syria, and Iraq, which all gained independence in the 1940s with relatively robust civil societies and promising economies, were being profoundly mismanaged and intellectually suffocated by these narrow regimes. Underneath dreams of resurgence and glory lay clear patterns of atrophy and decay. But the militarism of Arab nationalism, particularly in Egypt, with its strident anti-Western and anti-Israeli rhetoric, conjured a beguiling mirage that obscured grim realities for large majorities who were cajoled into a collective denial. The 1967 war called this bluff completely. Most Arabs had been beyond confident in victory, yet the defeat was virtually instantaneous and total. In the aftermath, the political credibility of this version of Arab nationalism was mortally wounded, and its long-term viability was as effectively destroyed as the Egyptian Air Force had been by Israel’s surprise early morning attack on June 5. As the Lebanese scholar Fawaz Gerges has pointed out, the rise of Islamism as a political force was neither an immediate nor an inevitable consequence of the crisis of Arab nationalism resulting from the 1967 war. Many other factors fed into the rise of an ultraconservative, reactionary, and revolutionary (in the Leninist sense) Islamist movement, its radicalization in the 1970s and 1980s, and its proliferation—including in the form of violent transnational terrorist movements like al-Qaeda and ISIS—since the late 1990s. Things could have turned out differently. Secular Arab nationalism could have been revived, especially in a strikingly different form. Islamism could have developed differently, or thrived to the point of becoming the ideology of ruling factions in much of the Arab world (now only really the case in Gaza). So, the connection between the 1967 fiasco and the rise of ultraconservative Islam and political Islamism is both direct, insofar as nothing did more to discredit its primary ideological antagonists (secularism and nationalism), and indirect, insofar as innumerable other factors and contingencies shaped our present realities. But it’s worth noting that these two supposedly polar opposites continue to share an underlying framework of political attitudes that remain hegemonic among Islamists and Arab nationalists alike. …

[shippy]

How the Six-Day War Transformed Religion Six perspectives on how the 1967 Arab-Israeli conflict changed Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Mormonism — Sigal Samuel | June 5, 2017 [INDENT]The Crisis of Arab Nationalism and the Rise of Islamism Hussein Ibish, senior resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute[/

Zero good lunchtime

I really don’t understand what the point of your copy-paste is. Please explain

[sandGroundZero]

Some posts imply (or assert) that Israel is the front line in a straightforward struggle between Western enlightenment values and dark forces of militant Islam. That is a narrow perspective. Insofar as it embodies Zionist ideology, Israel has begotten the forces ranged against it through its uncompromising stance. Zionism as a particular manifestation of European imperialism, is not an inert and inconsequential detail of history. It prompted reaction. Zionism displaced and affronted a population whose entitlement it ignored. Mass immigration of European Jews into Palestine created resentment and hostility. 19th and early 20th century European imperial intrusions into the politics of of the rest of the world did not happen in a vacuum. So, we must consider how these incursions induce reactions! The Crisis of Arab Nationalism and the Rise of Islamism [extracted from the article cited] points, plausibly, to the likelihood that far from defending 'the West's ideals from radical Islamism, Israel's actions have undercut that idealism with the result that it has induced antipathetic forces.

[Hamble]

How Hamas has used the internet push its barbaric ideology.



https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hama...EzNDgwLjAuMC4w

[shippy]

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Some posts imply (or assert) that Israel is the front line in a straightforward struggle between Western enlightenment values and dark forces of militant Islam. That is a narrow perspective. Insofar as it embodies Zionist ideology, Israel has begotten the forces ranged against it through its uncompromising stance.

Dear Zero
I wish I could be as naive as you portray yourself. Maybe at my age it’s a good thing.
But, and that’s a very very big BUT. I have children and grandchildren who are still growing up into adults.
What does their future hold for them, whether it’s Christian or Jewish.
Take a look at Paris, Marseilles and Sweden.
I have seen, and witnessed things in my life, that only are written in books.
Seeing all these changes, happening so swiftly is to me, will be the end of my beautiful Britain.

Today I was shown a video of a market day in Bradford . Nothing like St John’s market used to be.

What has upset me, is the ignorance of so many young people, who use these demonstrations for letting off steam, peer pressure. 90% have no idea what’s going on in the Middle East. To me that’s unbelievably.

Do you honestly believe that I don’t feel pity for the way that the Palestinians have been cheated by their government, HAMAS.
Do you really believe that I’m a follower of this recent government, who have neglected the people whom they are supposed to be protecting.

I can’t believe that the world will succumb to a different way of life, it’s all a matter of time that the world will be one religion. Laugh as you may.

Local recently remarked that it’s happening already.
My family live in London and believe me they can’t go into central town anymore.

You may say to yourself it will never happen in the UK.
Obviously at my age I won’t be around, but I can assure you my words are written on stone and not ice.

In the meantime, what about helping to get the few of those Israeli hostages who are left. Possibly 20 of the 136 which were held hostage. Most of them have been murdered.
Those young girls 17 of them are raped, tortured and psychology brain washed. God help them, they are probably better off dead.

[Hamble]

Dear Zero
I wish I could be as naive as you portray yourself. Maybe at my age it’s a good thing.
But, and that’s a very very big BUT. I have children and grandchildren who are still growing up into adults.
What does their future hold for them, whether it’s Christian or Jewish.
Take a look at Paris, Marseilles and Sweden.
I have seen, and witnessed things in my life, that only are written in books.
Seeing all these changes, happening so swiftly is to me, will be the end of my beautiful Britain.

Today I was shown a video of a market day in Bradford . Nothing like St John’s market used to be.

What has upset me, is the ignorance of so many young people, who use these demonstrations for letting off steam, peer pressure. 90% have no idea what’s going on in the Middle East. To me that’s unbelievably.

Do you honestly believe that I don’t feel pity for the way that the Palestinians have been cheated by their government, HAMAS.
Do you really believe that I’m a follower of this recent government, who have neglected the people whom they are supposed to be protecting.

I can’t believe that the world will succumb to a different way of life, it’s all a matter of time that the world will be one religion. Laugh as you may.

Local recently remarked that it’s happening already.
My family live in London and believe me they can’t go into central town anymore.

You may say to yourself it will never happen in the UK.
Obviously at my age I won’t be around, but I can assure you my words are written on stone and not ice.

In the meantime, what about helping to get the few of those Israeli hostages who are left. Possibly 20 of the 136 which were held hostage. Most of them have been murdered.
Those young girls 17 of them are raped, tortured and psychology brain washed. God help them, they are probably better off dead.

All pretty depressing news.


Erdogan is showing his true colours.
I don't know how Turkey could even be considered in joining the EU.
One of the reasons I voted Leave.

[sandGroundZero]

Some posts imply (or assert) that Israel is the front line in a straightforward struggle between Western enlightenment values and dark forces of militant Islam. That is a narrow perspective. Insofar as it embodies Zionist ideology, Israel has begotten the forces ranged against it through its uncompromising stance.

Dear Zero I wish I could be as naive as you portray yourself. Maybe at my age it’s a good thing.
…
Today I was shown a video of a market day in Bradford . Nothing like St John’s market used to be.
What has upset me, is the ignorance of so many young people, who use these demonstrations for letting off steam, peer pressure. 90% have no idea what’s going on in the Middle East. To me that’s unbelievably.
…
You may say to yourself it will never happen in the UK.
…

shippy, now I'm at a bit of a loss. You have employed Reply With Quote recalling some of my previous post; but why? Your response is oblique, at best. From one elderly to another we perceive the world changing, but our perceptions are not free from distortion. Bradford like many UK, European and (a few) American cities has a significant Muslim presence. And it is true that occasional acts of violence are linked to perpetrators' grievances about Islam being disrespected by Western governments and/or populace. All that said, your (apparent) fears are our of proportion. At the same time though, it is helpful to recognize how our countries' pasts have given rise to the present we observe!

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I can’t believe that the world will succumb to a different way of life, it’s all a matter of time that the world will be one religion. Laugh as you may.
Local recently remarked that it’s happening already.
My family live in London and believe me they can’t go into central town anymore.
…

I anticipate your grandchildren will have other, more pressing concerns. In the meantime, Israel has not upheld 'Western', liberal values vis-à-vis the Arab populations displaced in the name of Zionist ideology. It is self-serving to suppose young demonstrators "have no idea what’s going on in the Middle East." Finally, you do your posts or yourself no favours lining up with .

[sandGroundZero]

Palestinian territories Settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank – visualized International attention is on Gaza – but attacks by Israelis who live on Palestinian land have been increasing Attacks by settlersin the West Bank jumped in October. Illustration: Mona Chalabi/The Guardian While international attention has been turned toward Gaza, violence against Palestinians has increased in the West Bank too. Israeli settler attacks have become more frequent. Settlers are Israeli citizens who live on Palestinian land. In most cases, this happens because Palestinians are prevented from accessing their land and are physically attacked by settlers. In a third of cases, Palestinian property is damaged by settlers. These findings come from a UN report published in September 2023 that showed a years-long rise in settler violence against Palestinians. Because of these numbers, the UN has noted that “settler-driven displacement did not start with Hamas’s deadly attack”. … Mona Chalabi | Mon 22 April 2024 © 2024 Guardian News & Media Limited